In this episode, Joanne and Dr. Kerry McAvoy explore the intricacies of grief, intentionality, and human consciousness in relationships. They discuss the challenges of moving on, healing from intentional harm, and the complexities of human behavior. Joanne shares personal anecdotes about forgiveness, the impact of family dynamics, and navigating relationships with anti-social types. Dr. Kerry McAvoy offers insights into intentionality, empathy, and the difficulties individuals with personality disorders face in achieving redemption. The conversation also touches on the power of humor in coping with adversity and the influence of spiritual experiences on personal growth.