Elle talks about the ways in which transition conjures the experience of grief. Quoting the work of Edith Eder (https://schizanthusnerd.com/2020/07/26/the-gift, she reflects on her life experiences with grief, some of the things she has lost in transition, and the mystical way in which grief transmutes to gratitude given enough time and magic. Elle references numerous other episodes of the podcast in this one, as well as the fact that most of the Transgender Woman Talking Podcast is available in video form on YouTube (check out Elle's channel here: https://www.youtube.com/@transgenderwomantalking )

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