In this powerful episode, Rev. Dr. Jules Erickson joins Michael O’Connell for a deep and relatable conversation about how grief moves through families—and how we often carry it without even knowing.

From childhood loss and moral injury to the messy middle of healing, Pastor Jules shares stories and tools from family systems theory and pastoral work. You'll learn why grief doesn't follow a straight line, how anxiety and shame often mask our deeper pain, and how sitting with discomfort is sometimes the most healing thing we can do.

This is a must-listen for anyone grieving or walking beside someone who is—and for those who want to better understand how grief shapes who we are within our families.