This week I speak with Elise Gaul, a therapist specializing in grief and loss who works in multiple modalities including EMDR (Eye Movement Desensitizing and Reprocessing) therapy. Elise explains why EMDR works well to address "covert grief," a term she coined for the parts of childhood grief that can profoundly affect a person's life, often without their awareness. Her stints as the executive director of a grief center called Peter's Place and the director of Camp Erin, a bereavement camp for children led us to talk about what parents and caregivers can do to minimize the long-term negative effects of grief on kids. I loved Elise's attitude about grief as a learning process and her curiosity and interest in working with adults to try to unlock some of the negative beliefs that childhood grief can create.

To learn more about Elise and her work please visit her website

To read Elise's fascinating article on Covert Grief that led me to invite her on the show read this blog post

To learn more about EMDR visit APA or EMDRIA

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Special thanks to Josephine Wiggs for the intro and outro music from her album "We Fall."

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