In this special episode of the podcast, we'll talk with June Williams and Ashley Blackwell - our co-conspirators in griefwork: sharing stories of how we got here and where we might be headed. Join us, won't you?

For your reference, here are some of the books mentioned in the episode:

• The Wild Edge of Sorrow by Francis Weller
• The Smell of Rain on Dust by Martin Prechtel
• Die Wise by Stephen Jenkinson.