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This week on Kinda Preachy, we’re pulling back the curtain on the kind of grief nobody warns you about: the grief of losing the people, places, and callings we thought we’d be with forever.

Kacie opens up about the deeper layers of hurt she’s still discovering after stepping away from ministry—because apparently grief comes in waves, plot twists, and surprise reruns. And Steph shares how losing an entire friend group sucked but somehow became the thing God used to restore her marriage.

We talk about how abrupt loss knocks the wind out of you, how there is zero timeline for getting over anything, and how pretending to be “fine” is both unhelpful and hilariously inaccurate for us right now. Honestly? This episode felt more like a very public therapy session than a podcast… but we laugh through all of it because that’s who we are.

If you’re grieving what’s gone, feeling stretched in your faith, or just need to hear two perimenopausal women process their feelings with Jesus and questionable humor—this one’s for you.