On this show, Heather and Heidi chat with Jamie Ivey from The Happy Hour podcast. They talk about everything from turning 40 to learning how to talk about the hard things in our lives that we've kept hidden away for no one to see. Jamie's new book, If You Only Knew: My Unlikely, Unavoidable Story of Becoming Free encourages all of us to face the things that have kept us in shame and guilt and find freedom in our own lives.