Guests - Betsy Smith, Steve Mundt

The thwarted attack planned around last week's UFC fight at the White House held the day's first and most urgent thread. What was publicly described as a drone threat was, in Betsy Brantner Smith's telling, far more calculated and far more sinister than initial headlines suggested.

Retired Brigadier General Steven D. Mundt joined the second hour to provide the military context the first hour had been building toward. He worked in Army aviation for decades, specifically on the Apache attack helicopter platform, alongside Winn's husband — which gave the conversation a particular texture of personal investment in the outcomes being discussed.