In this episode, we speak with, Gustav Peebles (economic anthropologist) and Benjamin Luzatto (artist and public thinker), co-authors of The First and Last Bank: Climate Change, Currency and a New Carbon Commons. Together, they propose a bold new vision of money as a tool for ecological repair—one that treats carbon not as a commodity to be traded, but as a commons to be protected, stored, and distributed fairly.

We explore:

• Why money and climate are more intertwined than we think

• How a "carbon commons" could shift our economic priorities

• What it means to design a bank that's both metaphor and mechanism

• Whether it's time to let go of conventional growth-based systems

• Why this is a call to collective imagination—not just policy change

This episode isn't just about economics. It's about possibility.