This episode gets REAL! 

This episode is Ellen Renk interviewing Michael getting deep into what extreme loss and defeat can bring to true growth. 

On this episode Ellen asks Michael to some real question on what has lead to the change and growth of Ruthless In Pursuit and the tough journey that has lead to such a beautiful reflection of being able to share pain and experience and turn it into value and love. 

If you are someone that is struggling to see the otherside of the dark moments this will help share what can happen when we are forced to see how we can come out the other side.