Due to a communications error our first guest missed the show and I did a monologue abut HAMS--he is interviewed at a later date. Our second guest is Dee-Dee Stout, the author of "Coming to Harm Reduction Kicking & Screaming: Looking for Harm Reduction in a 12-Step World." Ms. Stout is a bridge-builder between the traditional treatment paradigm and the harm reduction approach. Stanton Peele joins us to close the show.