ANC national executive committee member and former tourism minister Derek Hanekom has confirmed that he met with EFF secretary-general Godrich Gardee several times to discuss "ways to oust" the then president, Jacob Zuma. Meanwhile, ANC secretary general Ace Magashule says Hanekom is on a mission to divide the party …

GUEST: Professor Ben Turok, the director of the Institute for African Alternatives and a former ANC MP