On opposite sides of the world, immersed in completely different careers, Jennifer Palmieri and comedian Hannah Gadsby’s thoughts were turning in the same direction. What if trying to fit the male mold of success was more work than it was worth? What if they could build something better? They both found out; Hannah with her groundbreaking 2018 Netflix comedy special Nanette and Jen with her best-selling book Dear Madame President. In this episode, Jen and Hannah talk about the freedom and limits of stand-up comedy, the moment Hannah realized comedy's status quo wasn’t working for her, and what happens when a culture used to one kind of story has to make room for more voices.

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