In this special episode of Podsongs, musician Ceschi Ramos sits down with award-winning writer Ocean Vuong (On Earth We’re Briefly Gorgeous, Night Sky with Exit Wounds) for a raw, deeply personal conversation about art, identity, music, and grief.

This is the kind of conversation that only results when two artists at the same level, but in different disciplines, can really judge and appreciate one another's work. And Ocean said Ceschi's insights were "the most accurate and kindest thing anyone has ever said about my work."

They explore their shared Connecticut roots, the influence of punk rock and hip-hop on their creative journeys, and the impact of family history, war, and loss on their work. From Buddhism and coping with trauma to navigating the commercial pressures of the creative industry, this dialogue offers profound insights into the intersections of music, literature, and personal history.

If you’re drawn to multicultural identity stories, poetry that cuts to the bone, and the uncompromising pursuit of authenticity in art, you’ll want to hear every minute

.The song that is inspired by the conversation is called "CHANGE OR DIE": https://ffm.to/changeordie

00:00 Introduction and Guest Welcome