We were pleased to have two guests for this episode: Tracie Gardner from National Black Harm Reduction Network and Bre Azanedo from BLM Paterson. Tracie is working at the national level on harm reduction policies that center Black people and Bre is on the ground doing fabulous harm reduction work in Paterson, NJ. They tackle some of the hard obstacles to getting a better understand of why harm reduction is necessary. These two women are part of a network of grassroots organizations working to make their communities safer and healthier.