Crypto vibes are “sad,” according to Wintermute founder and CEO Evgeny Gaevoy. In this episode, Leo talks with Gaevoy a.k.a. the “wishful_cynic” about whether crypto is still cypherpunk and why he is still “generally optimistic” moving ahead.

Also, Jeff and Leo discuss Sam Bankman-Fried's appeals for a pardon, Leo's exclusive with Dragonfly Capital and another new DC DeFi policy shop.

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