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Key Points, Top Takeaways and Memorable Quotes - 

“This is what I know.  This is what I’ve experienced.  This is what I can speak to.” 9:09

“I’ve had to look at the ugly side, and face it in order to heal, and see it for what it is.  Forgive myself.” 13:40

“You can’t think to heal, we have to feel to heal.” 23:08

“There’s a tremendous intelligence that these medicines hold.” 24:59

“It’s not going to be easy, but what you’re going to get out of it is going to be far greater than you could predict.” 44:00

Guest Bio - Kevin Vance was born in Canada, and moved to San Diego when he was 6. His love for nature and the water began. Kevin was a collegiate all American in water polo, a team captain and MVP. 

After attending UCSD, he enlisted in the navy where he was a hospital corpsman in the Special Operations community. Kevin served in the Navy from 1994-2003. From 2003 to 2009, he served with the US Government working with the intelligence community for national security interests. He has spent over 3 years in Iraq, a year and a half in Pakistan and other areas of interest in the GWOT. 

From 2009- current, Kevin has served as a First Responder in Southern California working in one of our nation's largest fire organizations - having instructed 2 academies, been active as a USAR member, a FEMA rescue specialist and currently holds the rank of Fire Captain. He has supported the build out of the behavioral wellness program while serving the needs of our veteran community. 

Kevin has spent some time in Hollywood consulting on a few films including, End of Watch, Fury, Suicide Squad, Bright, Triple Frontier, War Machine, and Sabotage.

Show Notes - 

0:00 - Coming Up on ‘What I Meant to Say’

0:35 - What I Meant to Say Intro

0:57 - Welcome to Kevin

5:56 - Lifeguarding & College at UCSD, then Special Operations

10:31 - Ways You’ve Started to Heal

14:47 - How Do You Take the First Step When You’re Struggling?

18:08 - Places You’ve Had a Sense of Community

23:52 - Recreation Vs. Integrated Healing with Psychedelics 

29:11 - I Call it the Nudge

35:18 - Working from Individual Strength 

37:16 - Life Experiences that Led You to Be a Better Husband & Father

40:46 - Nature Experiences

43:06 - Managing Chronic Pain through Life Experiences

45:13 - What Are Some of Your Hopes for Your Daughter?

49:33 - Wendy’s Advice for a Father with a Daughter

52:41- Kevin’s Wife is Patient & Supportive

55:31 - One Piece of Advice 

59:18 - Thank You & WIMTS Closing

Links & Where to Find Kevin - 

IG - @kevinlvance 

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