Recorded in Alex's Healing Hemp dispensary, the conversation goes a lot deeper than societal warming toward marijuana.

Alex and I talk about the propaganda, thoughtless compliance and lack of creative fulfillment that deepen the despair, desperation and recklessness of empty consumption.

We suspect that the path forward requires a change of attitude and the productive, ethical use of our new capabilities, tools and resources.

We shuffle along, looking at our feet. But connection, collaboration and creation give us reason to find our pioneer spirit and look across new frontiers toward the future.