Episode 4 – Brotherhood, the Music Industry, and the Modern Church

In this episode, I sit down with one of my closest friends and creative partners, Zachary Kale. Zach isn’t just a hit songwriter and producer in Nashville—he’s the guy I talk to three times a day, hunt with, write music alongside, and believe it or not, met years ago through a Craigslist ad.

We talk about his journey to the top of the charts, our shared experiences as longtime worship leaders, and what it really looks like to stay grounded in faith and friendship while navigating the music industry. We also dig deep into the current state of the industry and the Church—what’s changing, what’s concerning, and what gives us hope.

This is more than just a conversation—it’s a look at two lives that have been intertwined through calling, creativity, and brotherhood.