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I want to thank all of you who tune in and consider our message. We know that some of you are enemies who frankly despise me however we have seen some of our stuff sink in and actually change the ways even you do things and for that we are grateful.
And thank those of you who are so led to support us with prayers and hard earned finances.
Ours is a very, very small ministry but we are able to produce some qualitatice AND quantitative stuff because of your support. So thank you.
This is Hear me out Part III of four.
Last week we talked about how that even though the Bible makes it clear that God, through the finished work of His Son, was going to establish His Kingdom among individuals, making the faith “subjectively known and received, that men and woman have tried to insert themselves and their views between God and the individual in the form of organized religion and their empires.
We illustrated the four main Jesus groups that are engaged in a constant tug-o-war for members and their control over them – Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxies, Protestant Denoms (of every flavor), and Restorationist movements writ large.
We also mentioned that some 5 BILLION other folks which thrive outside of these four groups (who are all considered hell-bound by the way) by the four main Christian approaches just named.
Again – all of this stuff – this infighting and warfare, all of the division and name-calling would be done away with IF believers could see that God has reconciled the entire world to Himself by and through the finished work of His Son.
See, conflict and warfare exist between people when they allow themselves to believe that Jesus has only saved some because the rest of the world fails to believe the way their respective religion says they must to be saved.
And therein lies the power and the problem of religion – its very existence is anathematic to peace, love and understanding.
However, if God (through His SON) saved the whole world past, present and future (without exception or condition), then there remains no reason for denominationalism, judgment, criticism or attack on others. None.
Of course ANYONE can come up with a theory that sounds nice, right? The question here is: Does the Bible say that God, through His Son, has saved the whole world?
If it does, then this is a major blow to proprietary religious establishments the world over and we can all stop feeding the machine.
Now, what makes answering this question difficult is people open up their Bibles and read Jesus and the Apostles talking to audiences in their day about “being saved.”
What many people don’t realize is that a great percentage many of these references (about being saved) from the mouth of Jesus and His apostles are speaking of being saved from something other than “from hell and to heaven” – the way Christians today interpret the phrase.
For instance, when Paul was on a boat that was in peril he said:
Acts 27:3 Unless you abide in the ship, ye cannot be saved.
That passage obviously has nothing to do with being saved “from hell and to heaven” but saved there obviously means, “saved from drowning in the sea!” Right?
So context, audience and speaker help determine the meaning of the term, “saved.”
We also know that many times the word saved is used to describe someone who was healed from an ailment due to their faith, as Jesus said to a man healed in Luke 18:42
“Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.”
Saved thee from what? Blindness.
Now listen closely, what is really revelatory about this is that most of the references to “being saved” (as stated by Jesus and/or his apostles) are couched in conversations of them talking to those people (in that day and age) about being saved from the coming destruction which was promised to fall upon them soon.
A destruction that actually did come and not only destroy Jerusalem and much of Israel in 70 AD but slaughtered well over a MILLION Jews.
The apostolic promise in that day was believe on Jesus and be SAVED from that certain coming death! That is what many of the remarks on saving are about in the New Testament!
So, as an example, when we read Jesus say to his apostles in Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
He is talking to them about enduring the heinous trials that were coming upon them and those who did so “to the end” would be saved from the coming destruction.
Again, in Matthew 24:22 when Jesus says
And unless those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Again, the saving he is speaking of here has nothing to do with being saved from hell and to heaven but has to do with them being saved from the promised physical destruction headed their way.
Same in Luke where we read
(1:71) That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us – from physical death prophesied to come!
I suggest that even at Pentecost, when Peter stood before the 3000 Jews and said:
Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
That he was speaking of them being saved from the coming destruction and not from an eternity in hell.
In Acts 2:47 we read Luke’s description of the nascent church when he wrote that the believers were
“Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.”
That again, “the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved from the coming destruction as His Church-Bride whom he would come and take.”
We all assume that when we read passages like Acts 16:31 where Paul says
“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
. . . that he is speaking of saved from hell and to heaven but he could easily and also be speaking of saved from the coming destruction Jesus promised.
Even when Paul writes in Romans
Romans 5:9-10 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Or when he writes in Romans 10
Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might ...
We’re taking live calls. Remember, we are taking calls – 801 950-8413 – in about 40 minutes.
I want to thank all of you who tune in and consider our message. We know that some of you are enemies who frankly despise me however we have seen some of our stuff sink in and actually change the ways even you do things and for that we are grateful.
And thank those of you who are so led to support us with prayers and hard earned finances.
Ours is a very, very small ministry but we are able to produce some qualitatice AND quantitative stuff because of your support. So thank you.
This is Hear me out Part III of four.
Last week we talked about how that even though the Bible makes it clear that God, through the finished work of His Son, was going to establish His Kingdom among individuals, making the faith “subjectively known and received, that men and woman have tried to insert themselves and their views between God and the individual in the form of organized religion and their empires.
We illustrated the four main Jesus groups that are engaged in a constant tug-o-war for members and their control over them – Roman Catholicism, Eastern Orthodoxies, Protestant Denoms (of every flavor), and Restorationist movements writ large.
We also mentioned that some 5 BILLION other folks which thrive outside of these four groups (who are all considered hell-bound by the way) by the four main Christian approaches just named.
Again – all of this stuff – this infighting and warfare, all of the division and name-calling would be done away with IF believers could see that God has reconciled the entire world to Himself by and through the finished work of His Son.
See, conflict and warfare exist between people when they allow themselves to believe that Jesus has only saved some because the rest of the world fails to believe the way their respective religion says they must to be saved.
And therein lies the power and the problem of religion – its very existence is anathematic to peace, love and understanding.
However, if God (through His SON) saved the whole world past, present and future (without exception or condition), then there remains no reason for denominationalism, judgment, criticism or attack on others. None.
Of course ANYONE can come up with a theory that sounds nice, right? The question here is: Does the Bible say that God, through His Son, has saved the whole world?
If it does, then this is a major blow to proprietary religious establishments the world over and we can all stop feeding the machine.
Now, what makes answering this question difficult is people open up their Bibles and read Jesus and the Apostles talking to audiences in their day about “being saved.”
What many people don’t realize is that a great percentage many of these references (about being saved) from the mouth of Jesus and His apostles are speaking of being saved from something other than “from hell and to heaven” – the way Christians today interpret the phrase.
For instance, when Paul was on a boat that was in peril he said:
Acts 27:3 Unless you abide in the ship, ye cannot be saved.
That passage obviously has nothing to do with being saved “from hell and to heaven” but saved there obviously means, “saved from drowning in the sea!” Right?
So context, audience and speaker help determine the meaning of the term, “saved.”
We also know that many times the word saved is used to describe someone who was healed from an ailment due to their faith, as Jesus said to a man healed in Luke 18:42
“Receive thy sight: thy faith hath saved thee.”
Saved thee from what? Blindness.
Now listen closely, what is really revelatory about this is that most of the references to “being saved” (as stated by Jesus and/or his apostles) are couched in conversations of them talking to those people (in that day and age) about being saved from the coming destruction which was promised to fall upon them soon.
A destruction that actually did come and not only destroy Jerusalem and much of Israel in 70 AD but slaughtered well over a MILLION Jews.
The apostolic promise in that day was believe on Jesus and be SAVED from that certain coming death! That is what many of the remarks on saving are about in the New Testament!
So, as an example, when we read Jesus say to his apostles in Matthew 10:22
And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.
He is talking to them about enduring the heinous trials that were coming upon them and those who did so “to the end” would be saved from the coming destruction.
Again, in Matthew 24:22 when Jesus says
And unless those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Again, the saving he is speaking of here has nothing to do with being saved from hell and to heaven but has to do with them being saved from the promised physical destruction headed their way.
Same in Luke where we read
(1:71) That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us – from physical death prophesied to come!
I suggest that even at Pentecost, when Peter stood before the 3000 Jews and said:
Acts 2:21 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved.
That he was speaking of them being saved from the coming destruction and not from an eternity in hell.
In Acts 2:47 we read Luke’s description of the nascent church when he wrote that the believers were
“Praising God, and having favor with all the people. And the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved.”
That again, “the Lord added to the church daily such as should be saved from the coming destruction as His Church-Bride whom he would come and take.”
We all assume that when we read passages like Acts 16:31 where Paul says
“Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.”
. . . that he is speaking of saved from hell and to heaven but he could easily and also be speaking of saved from the coming destruction Jesus promised.
Even when Paul writes in Romans
Romans 5:9-10 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.
Or when he writes in Romans 10
Brethren, my heart's desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might ...