Chat with Steve Rickard - The Chat Room. Catch Steve and his superb black ute and caravan in Whaingaroa every 3rd Wednesday down by the Info Centre. A safe space for men to share. Steve holds space and hearts. Part of Tautoko Tana Male Support Services Waikato www.waikatosurvivors.org.nz/services

Also we hear a recorded chat with Craig Mitchell from the Over The Fence show, who is heading along the same path as Steve, in holding space for men that need to be heard.

Podcasts of both these chats will be up on Heart Talk Chats soon.