We are in our 6th millennia of patriarchy, and as this episode’s guest Susan Hawthorne puts it, “the publicity program for patriarchy has been going for some 5,000 years”. As a poet, author and founder of the feminist publishing house Spinifex Press, and as a lesbian radical feminist, Susan decidedly belongs to the publicity program for the other side, the side that has been fighting against ‘the rule of the father’ since the time of Cassandra.

Susan, herself a feminist prophetess of our time, speaks in the clearest and most concrete way about the destruction that absolute male power has wrought, and drawing from ancient myths, mother nature and her own deep erudition - has written volumes that envisions a different way to live - in books like Wild Politics: Feminism, Globalization and Biodiversity and Vortex: The Crisis of Patriarchy among others. 

In this episode Elle and Susan riff on the dangers of watered down liberal feminism, the importance of having a 40,000 year plan, and patriarchy’s many, many Trojan Horses. Plus poetry.