Hello Chaos

C.W. Hawley teaches leaders how to own their time. Then she launched her own firm and found herself on her laptop on Saturday mornings, breaking the rules she built a business around. A nurse who climbed to operations VP in senior living, she could run a massive portfolio with her eyes closed. Selling herself was a different story. After a layoff, with every door she tried closing on her, she finally started Let’s Talk Time, the time strategy firm people had been telling her to build for years.

The hardest shift wasn’t the workload. It was going from a paycheck that shows up after a bad week to earning nothing unless she closes. She’d spent years teaching that dreams die between strategy and execution, then found herself stuck in that same gap. What pulled her out is what she teaches. Time management keeps you walking faster on a treadmill. Time strategy gets you somewhere. She starts with a real time audit, not the story you tell yourself about your day, then sets goals by cutting before adding and planning for the hard part before it hits. Less than a year in, she’s made her first hires and is building toward a podcast of her own. If you started a business for freedom and ended up working more than ever, here’s what she wants you to know.

1️⃣ Time freedom is earned, not handed to founders
C.W. started her firm believing working for herself meant owning her calendar. Instead she’s booking calls on Saturday mornings and on for every sales call. The freedom is real, but it comes after you build the systems, not before. Block your rest like you block client work, or the business will take every hour you leave open.

2️⃣ Your memory is lying about where your time goes
Everyone tells themselves a story about how they spend their day, and that story is usually better than the truth. C.W. has clients log seven days in real time, energy levels and outcomes included. Skip it and you’ll keep fixing the wrong problem. Track it as it happens, then build your plan around what’s actually there.

3️⃣ Cut something before you set your next goal
SMART goals tell you if a goal is sound. They don’t tell you how to get there or what has to go first. C.W. starts every goal with elimination, whether it’s a distraction, a task you haven’t delegated, or a belief holding you back. Add without subtracting and you’re just stacking more on a full plate and walking faster on the same treadmill.

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0:00 Meet C.W. Hawley and Let’s Talk Time
1:11 How a nurse turned operations VP got obsessed with time
2:15 Laid off, and the choice she’d been avoiding for years
3:14 She looked great on paper and still couldn’t land a job
4:52 Why building your own brand is scarier than losing a paycheck
5:19 Where dreams die, and how she got stuck there too
6:10 She could run operations blindfolded. Sales was another story
10:08 Time management vs time strategy, and why most adults never learned either
12:31 The time freedom myth that caught the time strategist
16:32 You’re in a relationship with time, and it might be toxic
17:29 Why the 5 a.m. routine won’t work for everyone
21:19 The seven day audit that shows how you really spend your time
22:48 Why SMART goals leave you without a plan
27:34 Treadmill or track, and the time debt you never get back
28:59 Why founders tune out the word consistency
31:56 The goal framework that starts with what to cut
33:22 The step almost everyone skips when setting goals
35:17 Why rest is part of the work, not a reward
37:20 Where she found real help in year one
44:05 Nobody warns you that founders are always on
46:25 The startup spending she’d skip if she did it again
49:14 Why this chapter feels more fulfilling than nursing
52:27 The early advice that stopped her in her tracks
55:47 Where to find C.W. and Let’s Talk Time

C.W. had to live her own time strategy the hard way before she could sell it, so if you’re tired of walking faster on the same treadmill, find her here.

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Marcus Blair lost his job during COVID and kept every single bill. So he did what you do when rent is due. He took whatever work would pay, from ecommerce builds to SEO, even though Omega Business Solutions was never meant to be a marketing company. Six years later, he'll tell you the hardest part wasn't the work. It was the advice. Niche down. Raise money. Get the expensive website. All of it sounded right, and almost none of it fit the stage he was in.

Before Omega, Marcus ran digital transformation projects as a general manager at a multinational. Bootstrapping a startup taught him a different set of rules. He raised money too early because it felt like an accomplishment, then realized a check isn't a business model, and VC exit math could leave him with the same payday after years of extra pressure. One night, half a bottle of bourbon in and stuck bouncing between his CRM, accounting, and email, he wondered why he couldn't search his own business the way Google searches the internet. That thread became CoreIQ, an AI business intelligence platform that pulls scattered company data into one place. Now he's building toward an exit, which means handing off founder led sales, the one thing he still won't let go of. 

If you've ever followed advice that was right for someone else's stage, here's how Marcus learned to tell the difference.

1️⃣ Good advice at the wrong stage is bad advice
Niche down is smart once you have a pipeline. When the internet bill is due and you have no clients, turning work away is how you go under. Marcus took whatever paid in the early years, and that's what kept Omega alive. Before you act on advice, figure out what stage the person giving it is actually talking about.

2️⃣ Raising money isn't the same as making money
Marcus thought a raise was the win. It's not a business model, and it moves the finish line. A bootstrapped company doing $3 million a year might sell for $10 to $15 million, but VC investors won't care about that number. Decide what exit actually changes your family's life before you give up equity chasing a bigger one.

3️⃣ If you're the bottleneck, your business is worth less
Marcus wants to sell Omega, and he knows no buyer pays top dollar for a company that stops when the founder goes on vacation. Sales is still the thing he can't hand off, and he's honest that it'll be a tough moment. Build a system that generates and closes leads without you before you need it. Otherwise you're choosing your pride over the payout.

Timestamps:
0:00 Meet Marcus Blair, Omega Business Solutions, and CoreIQ
1:07 He lost his job during COVID but kept every bill
1:41 His friend has 40 employees and still doesn't feel like he knows what he's doing
3:09 Why real direction took six years to show up
4:41 Niche down, they said, but the internet bill still came due
10:13 The fundraising mistake that felt like a win
11:15 The exit math nobody shows you before you take VC money
14:14 Why AI efficiency is table stakes and talent is the real fight
19:33 Half a bottle of bourbon and the late night search that became CoreIQ
23:00 He bought Salesforce Enterprise for a team of four
24:16 How 12 people can do the work of 20 with AI
25:12 The one thing he still won't hand off
27:10 If you're the bottleneck, your exit is worth less
29:20 How a one month hire walked into a bank meeting ready
31:00 Building an AI chief of staff without handing it the keys
35:30 The cheesecake side hustle and the motorcycle racing years
39:27 Why he hires for potential and pays for it later
41:19 Startup people vs sustainer people, and why the wrong fit drags
45:26 The moment you start a business, you become a lead
47:44 The $10,000 website he didn't need
50:34 Why the marketing checklist fails B2B founders
58:26 Why AI websites look like AI, and how he fixed his
59:54 Getting a website 85% of the way there in five hours
1:05:00 The word that sums up his journey, and the one he wants next
1:06:56 What happened when he admitted his struggles in front of a class
1:08:14 He told a client the risk out loud and still won the deal
1:09:40 Why Omega won't take clients chasing headcount cuts
1:10:58 Where to find Marcus and Omega

Marcus is building the AI tools he sells and telling founders the truth about what they can't do, so if you want a straight answer on AI for your business, find him here.

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Lon White built a career on knowing exactly how things go wrong. For 25 years he was the person companies called in a crisis, running pandemic response, threat assessments, and high risk executive travel. He even ran his own consulting firm. But a career spent measuring risk kept him from the big swing. Then his co founder's family lost $40,000 in a single night to online sweepstakes fraud, and the math flipped. Not building Villari became the bigger risk.

Villari blocks scam links before they ever reach a vulnerable loved one, starting with seniors, who lost $7.7 billion to online fraud in 2025 while their kids sit behind corporate firewalls at work. But the real story is how a risk guy builds a startup. Lon bootstrapped the first year, went narrow before going wide, and is pitching only mission aligned angel investors, because the wrong check can turn a founder into a full time expectation manager. He's building slow on purpose, alongside a childhood friend and the mentor from his first job, and betting on a long game most investors don't want to fund. If you've ever talked yourself out of starting because you could list every way it fails, here's what 25 years of measuring risk taught him about when to swing, whose money to take, and where to start.

1️⃣ Not starting can be the bigger risk
Lon spent 25 years assessing risk, and it kept him on the sidelines. A Marc Randolph keynote gave him the frame he needed, an appetite for risk, an idea, and the energy to chase it relentlessly. The shift came when he weighed the cost of staying put as seriously as the cost of failing. Only price the downside of acting and you'll wait forever.

2️⃣ Interview investors like they're interviewing you
Lon learned that funding is about a philosophical match, not just money. A small check can come with Friday updates, board seat demands, and targets that don't fit your plan. Take the wrong one and you stop building and start managing expectations. Pitch the rooms that share your timeline and walk away from the rest.

3️⃣ Go narrow first or get lost everywhere
Villari could protect anyone, from small businesses to kids. Lon's co founder Lou pushed the team to start with one group, vulnerable seniors, and nail it. Narrow is what makes messaging, targeting, and measurement actually work. Try to be for everyone on day one and you'll never know what's working.

Timestamps
0:00 Meet Lon White and Villari
1:24 The $40,000 night that started it all
4:50 Every office tower has a firewall. Your parents don't.
7:51 Why taking mom's iPad away is the wrong fix
11:30 Going narrow first when you could sell to everyone
13:23 25 years of running toward chaos for a living
19:58 Why his consulting firm could never scale past him
21:16 The teenager who was the only one not fooled
24:03 The crap moments and the wall he's bracing for
26:26 An investor deck built in a cabin on four days' notice
27:44 How a career in risk kept him from the big swing
33:24 Why he'd take a stable foundation over a bigger customer count
36:55 Building with a childhood friend and his first boss
41:45 Bootstrapping first, then hunting for the right angels
43:48 The Friday update investor and why you're interviewing them too
49:52 From Granny Guard to Villari, the naming fight
54:32 The two things he'd change today
57:28 Long game, and why patience is the hardest part
1:02:23 The idea they bought at 11pm in his backyard
1:05:18 Where to find Lon and Villari

Lon spent a career measuring risk before deciding the biggest one was never starting, so if there's a big swing you keep putting off, find him here.

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Katie LeDoux had the résumé. The Smithsonian, the Kennedy Center, and a clear idea for helping nonprofits get funded. She figured that was enough. It wasn't. When she launched Sunflower Grant Writers, she was new to Omaha, didn't know anyone, and the world was shut down. Clients didn't line up at her door. She'd finish her work by 11am and spend the rest of the day cleaning a house that had never been cleaner.

What she learned the slow way is what a lot of founders learn too late. People want to know you before they hire you, and no idea sells itself. She built her client pipeline one relationship at a time, then hit the next wall. Her first instinct was to hire people she could be in charge of. The team only started working once she hired people smarter than her and got out of their way. Now her grant writers are spread across the country and as far as New Zealand, she reviews instead of writes, and she finally has room to dream about what's next.

If you're sitting on a good idea and wondering why nobody's calling, start here.

1️⃣ A great idea won't fill your pipeline. People will.
Katie assumed a good idea would bring clients to her. Cold calling nonprofits got her nowhere because people wanted to meet her first. Build relationships before you need the revenue, or spend your first year with a very clean house.

2️⃣ Stop hiring people you can boss
Her first instinct was to hire people she could manage. The team got better when she hired different skill sets and people with their own ideas, then let them own the work. Hire for control and your company never gets bigger than your own ceiling.

3️⃣ Clarity is kinder than being nice
Katie's early hiring mistakes came from avoiding hard conversations with people who weren't the right fit. Now she leads with a lesson from Brené Brown, clarity is kindness. Set the expectation, tell the truth, and let people respond. Skip that and you end up letting people take advantage of you.

Timestamps

0:00 Meet Katie LeDoux and Sunflower Grant Writers
1:16 How an art history major learned grant writing at the Smithsonian
2:43 When the dream job fell apart after the move to Omaha
3:38 The wrong fit job that pushed her to go out on her own
5:08 She built it and nobody came, the first year myth
7:49 Why the founder stops writing and starts filling the pipeline
8:13 The hiring mistake of wanting people she could be in charge of
10:36 Why go do it works for some people and fails for others
11:20 Hiring on gut instinct over the better résumé
11:53 The delegation shift that finally gave her room to dream
13:20 Why she named it Sunflower
14:56 Flat fees, and why applying to the wrong foundation wastes your time
16:46 What she'd do differently, network before you launch
17:47 The Omaha founder community that cheers her on every day
22:43 How she keeps a remote team connected and focused
24:41 Jennifer's 641 challenge for building a life outside the business
33:56 The idea she's building to help small nonprofits write their own grants
36:07 Gritty now, dreamy next
37:15 Stop trying to act like what you think a CEO should be
38:32 Why she hasn't driven a car in 25 years
39:54 The Brené Brown lesson that shaped how she leads
42:12 The win she wants to celebrate a year from now
42:59 Where to find Katie and Sunflower Grant Writers

Katie built Sunflower Grant Writers one relationship at a time, so if you want to see how she's helping nonprofits get funded, find her here.

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DeMario McIlwain built the future before there was a market for it, and the head start cost him more than it paid. He was teaching prompt engineering before ChatGPT existed, and he became the first in the US to put AI avatars in front of a learning platform, back when the rest of the world was still arguing about Bitcoin. Being early got him on the news and in the magazines. It also handed him a problem nobody warned him about. The moment everyone else caught up, the $20K he paid a Tel Aviv company to license that avatar tech turned into something anyone could buy for $5 a month.

A self taught developer who calls himself a rogue YouTube scholar, DeMario came up as a touring musician who learned to see code the same way he heard a song, by ear. No Silicon Valley, no Ivy League, no computer science degree, just a Carolina kid who kept reading until he could build things his own peers swore would never scale. Now he runs Skilldora as a human first shop that refuses to automate a founder out of their own business, even for a big check, and he spends his days pulling people out of both camps, the ones too scared of AI to touch it and the ones letting it run them into the ground. His story is the one every early founder eventually lives, the reward and the punishment of being early, and what it takes to keep pivoting when the market moves faster than you do.

Here is what being early taught him.

1️⃣ Being First Is A Cost, Not A Trophy
DeMario became a news story for being early to AI avatars, then watched the whole category commoditize the exact thing that made him special. The $20K tech he licensed now runs $5 a month. If your edge is being first, you are renting it, not owning it, and the day everyone catches up is the day your moat becomes a monthly fee. Build the next thing while you are still ahead, because the lead never lasts as long as it feels like it will.

2️⃣ Keep A Human On The Controls
DeMario runs a human first shop and will turn down a big check before he automates a founder out of their own business. He is all in on AI as a tool, but he has watched company after company let the tool define their process instead of the other way around, and it breaks every single time. The move is not more AI. It is knowing your own process well enough to decide where AI actually belongs.

3️⃣ Proof Beats The Title Every Time
Anybody with a weekend certificate is calling themselves an AI expert now, the same way anybody with a laptop started calling themselves a producer. DeMario's filter is dead simple. Ask to see the work. If someone wants to rebuild your business but cannot show you one thing they have built, including for themselves, keep your wallet closed. In a gold rush, the people selling shovels always

Timestamps

0:00 How a camera problem turned him into an AI first mover
2:40 The experts who hated how they looked on video
3:40 The Tel Aviv tech that let him clone people
4:38 Becoming the first in the US to teach with AI avatars
6:08 Why he spends his time debunking AI fear instead of selling it
9:37 Meet Ethan, the AI assistant who started calling him Doc
11:24 The day his own AI told him he was scope creeping
13:43 The AI experiment that should make every founder pay attention
15:03 He directed the movie, now he is watching it from the audience
22:33 No Silicon Valley, no Ivy League, built it anyway
23:02 Walking in the room and getting mistaken for the sales rep
36:00 He had a prompting course up before ChatGPT existed
39:38 The category exploded and the pivot never stopped
40:00 The $20K edge that now costs five dollars a month
47:43 The one word he uses for the whole journey
53:07 Why investors will not fund you without AI now
1:06:52 How to spot a fake AI expert before you pay them

DeMario has been early to every AI wave and has the scars to prove it, so if you want to see where he thinks all of this is heading next, find him here.

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Every founder eventually runs into the same math. If a business cannot survive without you in the room, you have not built a business, you have built a demanding job. Maggie Bilby watches that failure play out at the highest stakes imaginable, inside families worth thirty million dollars and more, where fortunes quietly vanish by the third generation not from bad investments, but because nobody taught the next generation how to actually hold what they inherited.

Twenty years in traditional wealth management gave Bilby the industry playbook, until an ultimatum forced her into a career she never chose. A decade later she noticed a pattern in her clients and built a business around it, launching Gen2 Advisors a little over a year ago. Founders will recognize the rest: the pressure to scale past your own hours, and the discipline of building an exit strategy before you need one instead of scrambling for it later. 

Here is what a year of building that on purpose taught her.

1️⃣ Your niche is already inside your client work
You do not find a niche by brainstorming it, you find it by noticing who keeps showing up. Maggie Bilby spent a decade in generalist wealth management before she realized one specific type of client kept gravitating toward her, and the work she loved most was the work they responded to most. She built Gen² Advisors on that pattern instead of ignoring it. Miss that signal and you keep doing broad, forgettable work while someone else builds the focused business you were sitting on the whole time.

2️⃣ Money without judgment does not survive
Passing down wealth is easy. Passing down the judgment to hold it is the part almost nobody does. Bilby calls it the translation problem, and the reason family fortunes vanish by the third generation is not bad communication, it is that nobody trains the next generation to actually hold power. She has watched it wreck fifteen hundred tire dealerships and thirty million dollar families the exact same way. If you are building something to hand off one day and you are only transferring the asset and not the judgment, you are not building a legacy, you are building a countdown.

3️⃣ Stop hiring your way out of a bottleneck
Bilby's firm was capped by how many hours she could personally sit across from a client, so instead of stacking headcount she started writing, turning advice she used to give one on one into something clients could absorb without her in the room. That single shift freed her calendar enough to waitlist new clients on her own terms. Founders who try to scale by adding more of themselves usually just build a bigger, more expensive version of the same bottleneck. Find the thing that can carry your judgment without you physically present, and that is what actually scales.

Timestamps

0:00 Meet Maggie Bilby and why families quietly lose it all
1:18 The real reason she walked away from traditional wealth management
3:38 The pattern she could not ignore that built her entire business
6:13 The ultimatum that forced her into the career she almost refused
7:43 What nobody warned her about the first year of running her own firm
9:21 Why so many businesses survive one generation and collapse the next
12:33 The three generation curse every founder should know before they exit
18:03 The real reason inherited wealth and inherited businesses fall apart
20:54 The question that breaks even the most successful founders
25:39 Why she started turning away clients instead of chasing more
31:02 The writing lesson that stopped her from burning out at scale
34:17 Her five item rule for staying focused without losing her mind
38:25 The four word sentence from her daughter that changed her business
48:30 The advice she gives every founder who feels like they are drowning
1:00:12 Why protecting yourself is the same as protecting your business
1:04:51 Where to find Maggie Bilby and Gen2 Advisors

If you are building something you actually want to outlive you, Maggie is the kind of person worth following before you need her.

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Megan Rosen spent a decade building other people's businesses before she let herself build her own. She helped her family's construction company break into franchising, then took an Illinois food brand from nine family owned locations to a private equity buyout, and somewhere inside all that expertise she noticed something she couldn't unsee. The tools she kept building for other founders were the product she should have been building for herself.

That realization became Pallas OmniStack, a patent pending AI platform Rosen built with her co founder Ashley Walsh, born out of a simple problem. An agency client went viral overnight and drowned in a thousand unqualified leads with no way to sort the real ones from the noise. What started as a voice qualifier turned into a full operating system for founders who can't outspend bigger competitors on marketing, and now it's expanding into wearables built for healthcare, memory care, and neurodivergent kids. None of that growth came free. Rosen nearly signed away her leverage to an investor who wouldn't put his own name on the paperwork, a reminder that the fastest way to lose your business is to protect it a little too late.

Here's what she wants every founder building past their limits to take with them.

1️⃣ Your product is already hiding in your service work

2️⃣ The red flag shows up before the money does

3️⃣ You can't scale what only you can answer

Timestamps

0:00 Meet Megan Rosen and the two businesses she is building right now

Megan turned the fix she kept building for her clients into a patent pending company, so if you want to see where she's taking it next, find her here.

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Joy Foster built a company that helped 16,000 women rebuild their working lives. She also ran it for years without knowing what a P&L was. TechPixies was winning awards and climbing past £2.2 million in revenue while its founder was still learning the money on the fly, the same founder who'd run her very first business straight out of her personal bank account. That's the gap nobody warns you about. You can build something people genuinely love and still have no real idea how to keep it alive. Joy is the founder and CEO of TechPixies, the UK training company that's helped thousands of women return to work, change careers, and start businesses of their own. And she's living proof that being great at building a thing and knowing how to run it are two entirely different skills.

TechPixies is her third company, and every one before it taught her something the hard way. The business that worked but wouldn't scale. The cash flow math she picked up mid payroll instead of on day one. The 150k loan she took in 2021 just to keep her team paid, the one she's still paying back. Somewhere in there she stopped doing every job she could do with her eyes shut and started building the systems, the hires, and the blunt weekly questions that let a company run without its founder propping it up. If you're caught between the version of your business that got you here and the version that's meant to carry you forward, you'll see yourself in Joy's story. It's financial literacy, scaling without losing the plot, and the uncomfortable morning you realize the bottleneck is you. 

Here's what stood out.

1️⃣ You can't outrun the numbers you avoid

2️⃣ Stop doing the job you could do asleep

3️⃣ People won't buy confidence, so sell the result

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Joy doesn't dress any of this up, which is exactly why she's worth keeping an eye on.

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She was the expert everyone called when they needed answers. A clinical psychologist who trained psychiatrists and coached leaders. And she still handed 35,000 dollars to a man she'd known for three months, after a little voice and half her friends told her not to. It was a Ponzi scheme. She lost all of it. Then the local paper called her, the professional, to ask what kind of person falls for these things. She was the person. And instead of hiding, she said it out loud and let them print it.

That's where Dr. Maria Nemeth's real work started. The embarrassment became a bridge. People stopped seeing the untouchable expert and started calling her about their own money, their own fear, their own mess. Out of that came The Energy of Money, a spot on the Oprah show, and eventually the Academy for Coaching Excellence, which she's run for 26 years. Along the way she rebuilt how she thinks about the whole game. Success as clarity, focus, ease, and grace instead of the grind that leaves you empty. Leadership as empowering people instead of doing everything yourself. Progress as small sweet steps instead of big promises you can't keep. 

If you're building something and carrying something you'd rather nobody knew, this one lands close to home.

1️⃣ Say the embarrassing thing out loud 

2️⃣ Your job stops being the work and becomes the people 

3️⃣ Redefine success before it burns you down 

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00:00 The messy middle nobody posts about

If a coach who trains other coaches redefined success after losing everything, her work is worth a closer look.

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The loudest players in Ryan Schwartz's world win with billboards, billion dollar claims, and referral schemes that would turn your stomach. Ryan walked the other way. He's a personal injury attorney in Atlanta who's run his own firm for 12 years, and he built the whole thing on the one asset none of that can buy. His reputation. No gimmicks, no jingles, no paying his way onto a billboard. Just people who remembered how he treated them and sent the next one his way.

What started in criminal defense grew case by case into a referral machine, a spider web of clients who trusted him and passed his name along. He learned to delegate without losing control, to spot the client who'd wreck his week before signing them, and to treat his team so well that paralegals fled surveillance heavy firms to work for him. Founders will feel the tension underneath it all. The pull to grow loud and fast against the slower bet that being genuine compounds. Ryan's proof you can build a real business on word of mouth, without paid ads, without selling a version of yourself you don't recognize. Here's what stuck with us.

1️⃣ Your Steady Paycheck Is a False Safety Net

2️⃣ Being Genuine Is a Growth Strategy, Not a Nicety

3️⃣ Basic Respect Is the Cheapest Retention You'll Find

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00:01 The messy middle nobody posts about

Ryan would rather earn your trust than buy your attention, so if that's the kind of business you want to build, go connect with him.

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