Kevin talks with Dr. Anthony Vinci, author of The Fourth Intelligence Revolution: The Future of Espionage and the Battle to Save America. As AI spreads power to everyone, are we all about to become James Bond? Dr. Anthony Vinci thinks so. In his provocative new book, The Fourth Intelligence Revolution, Vinci argues that the future of espionage won’t belong to governments — it’ll belong to citizens. He says we must all become “citizen spies” to defend democracy in an age where data is the new battlefield and surveillance is everywhere. But how far should we go to protect freedom? Should citizens really be part of the intelligence fight? Or does that make us part of the problem? I’m Kevin Cirilli — and in this episode, I ask: if everyone’s a spy, who can we really trust?

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