In this episode Angela Sells speaks with Joanna about: rediscovering a major pioneer of psychology; the relationship between Sabina Spielrein and Carl Jung; retrieving Sabina's story; her view of the "death instinct" as ecstatic ego dissolution for transformation; her pioneering work on female eroticism and archetypal psychology; updating Sabina Spielrein's words, the task at hand; 'writing as a way of coming into being"; the influence of Sabina Spielrein on Jean Piaget; the knowledge of a child's soul; Eco and narcissus, the suppression of the female voice; Sabina's thoughts about Mother Earth and the womb of imaginal time, being in tune with Gaia.