In this episode, we sit down with Cao, a photographer who resists labels while fully embracing the art of seeing.

We talk about photography as storytelling, the space between documentary and art, and what it means to stay true to a personal practice in a world obsessed with categorization.

The conversation also explores photography in the crypto space, recognition, and creating without chasing validation.

This is a grounded reflection on identity, process, and letting the work speak for itself.