Sometimes the future can seem dark. The pandemic drags on. Climate change is upon us. Political polarization remains toxic. When stories of division fill the headlines it's easy to feel like the only way is down.

But what if that's not true? What if we gave less airtime to voices of doom and more to voices of hope?

Our guests on this episode are Zachary Karabell and Emma Varvaloucas. Zachary is the founder of The Progress Network, Emma is its executive director. The Progress Network focuses on what's going right with the world and amplifies voices of optimism. Zachary joins us from New York and Emma from her adopted home in Greece, where she's gained an outsider's perspective on the US. Emma and Zachary are also the hosts of the podcast 'What Could Go Right?'