Mike's old friend Jason Hill had apparently been asking for a Pan Con Podcast invite for months. He finally got one from Mike and the two got together for a few post-service drinks and conversation about finding fulfillment in leading a team of high school football players, lessons from high school and college football, and the impact that being educated by the Marist brothers at Christopher Columbus High School in Miami had on each of them. Also, Jason tells us about the handful of times that he saved Mike's life.

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