In this episode we had a really passionate conversation with Paul El Sibai, the founder of SwapPay- Australia's first platform that works with charities and recycling organisations to trade used clothes for usable credits. Paul had a lot of insights into seeing failures as assets that set you up for future success, encouraging staff to make their own decisions, and creating a win-win business model that people want to see succeed. If you're interested in building sustainable businesses and turning failures into strengths, this will be a really solid ep.