Dana James Jones made his Brick/Star Wars parody mashup Revenge of the Incels with one viewer in mind – writer/director Rian Johnson. Thanks to social media, Johnson saw the video and loved it. And so did a lot of other people.

The film follows the plot of Johnson’s film noir Brick, but the protagonist in Revenge of the Incels is Johnson himself – and he’s trying to get to the bottom of who killed Kelly Marie Tran. This week, Joel Murphy has an in-depth chat with Jones about how the film was conceived, shot and released out into the world. They also talk about Jones’ run-in with Johnson’s predecessor J.J. Abrams, Jones’ first Star Wars fan film (which he shot at age 10) and their predictions for Episode IX.

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