Bishop Rachel (Anglican Bishop for HM prisons) in conversation with Kate Fraser, (Head of Practice for Women in Prison). Kate says, "We know that all pregnancies in prison are high risk, three babies have died in a women's prison in the past five years, and it's absolutely outrageous that we're sending pregnant women to prison."

 

She goes on, "The idea that a teenager can give birth on the concrete floor of a cell with no support, no medical help, nobody with her in a women's prison ... I don't think most taxpayers expect anything like that to happen when a woman is sent to prison, I think it's absolutely shocking."

Bishop Rachel says, "Surely in the big picture we want to create stronger communities, and yet we still are obsessed with this idea of punishment."