In this episode, Travis sits down with Eli to talk about the sixth mark in our 8 Marks of Spiritual Formation — Holiness + Character. Together they explore how God shapes who we’re becoming, what it means to let the Spirit hold the chisel, and how everyday choices form the person we’re being carved into. They’ll discuss the difference between behavior modification and true transformation, why holiness isn’t about perfectionism, and how God’s grace actually forms strength of character.