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Episode Description

In this final episode of the Holistic Human Design Conference podcast series, Birgitte sits down with the luminous Darshana Mathews, a seasoned Human Design teacher, splenic projector, storyteller, and deeply intuitive guide. Their conversation is intimate, layered, and profoundly moving, weaving together themes of grief, service, ancestral healing, the Chiron return, music, and the mystical unfolding of a life lived in alignment.

Darshana shares her remarkable journey from acting in New York that led her to Denmark, and into decades of spiritual service and Human Design education. The conversation touches on death and birth, being a projector in a sacral world, waiting as presence, and the deeper mysteries of our consciousness beyond form.

This is one to sit with slowly, a quiet transmission of depth and grace.

Key Takeaways

How Darshana’s splenic awareness and lived experience led her to Human Design

The powerful role of Chiron in understanding our individual life purpose

Darshana’s insights on teaching, language, and the deeper meaning behind Human Design terminology

Stories of profound transformation through caregiving and the death process

The significance of sound, music, and storytelling in identity and healing

Reflections on being a projector and the nuanced wisdom of waiting and recognition

A beautiful look ahead at what Darshana may bring to the Oslo conference this September

About Darshana Matthews

Darshana is a 3/5 Splenic Projector on the Cross of Service with decades of experience in Human Design, healing arts, and deep spiritual inquiry. Her background includes singing, acting, and many modalities of intuitive work. She has studied directly with Ra Uru Hu and teaches at the International Human Design School, conferences, and in deep one-on-one containers. She is known for her clarity and the ability to transmit complexity through deep simplicity.

Connect with Darshana: https://human-design.org/

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Connect with Birgitte: https://www.instagram.com/hdnorge/

If this episode touched you, share it with someone who would appreciate the depth of Darshana’s wisdom. And if you feel the pull to be in the room with beings like this, come join us in Oslo this September. There’s still time to claim your seat till August 17th!

Read more about the conference: https://www.holistiskhumandesign.no/conference

In this reflective and intimate conversation, Jenni Crowther; a 5/1 Splenic Projector and nomadic retreat guide, shares her story of surrendering to life’s invitations, living out of a bag for over a decade, and exploring Human Design through deep embodiment and meditation. 

Jenni and Birgitte explore the power of the projector aura, the process of deconditioning, the aliveness found in stillness, and the mystical beauty of the Human Design mandala. A quiet yet potent invitation to let life move through you.

Key Takeaways:

❤️Jenni’s life radically changed during her Jupiter return, launching her into a nomadic lifestyle guided by spontaneous invitations.

❤️ Her first experience of Human Design felt like being seen for the first time, and offered her a map to understand herself.

❤️ Surrender has been a consistent theme: life often moves her before her mind can catch up.

❤️ Trusting splenic authority means saying yes in the moment and letting the rest unfold.

❤️ Meditation, especially in stillness, has helped her observe and regulate energetic patterns.

❤️ Sound and silence are both powerful tools. Jenni explores Tibetan throat singing, toning, and the vibrational environment around her.

❤️ As a Projector, she’s deeply aware of the responsibility of her penetrating aura and the need for consent and alignment.

❤️ How Jenni leads retreats and sessions with spaciousness, allowing participants’ inner authority to guide the experience.

❤️ Her practice is a fusion of deep structure and intuitive expression, rooted in years of mastery across multiple systems.

❤️ The Human Design mandala captivates her as a work of cosmic art, one she may explore further in her conference talk.

About Jenni Crowther:

Jenni Crowther is a 5/1 Splenic Projector with a deep background in yoga, meditation, and Human Design. For over a decade, she has lived nomadically, traveling and guiding retreats across Europe. Her work blends mystical inquiry with grounded embodiment, emphasizing surrender, presence, and spiritual integrity. A lifelong student of esoteric systems, she weaves Human Design into every aspect of her life and teaching.

Connect with Jenni 

Website: https://jennicrowther.co.uk/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jenni_crowther_/

The Clarion Podcast: https://open.spotify.com/show/0oRslCZLxzqiqxKYjmHojX?si=3eec48bc9b3449e8

Ready to feel the frequency of truth through embodiment, surrender, and presence? Join Jenni and other incredible speakers at the Holistisk Human Design Conference in Oslo September 17th - 21st 2025.

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In this deep and illuminating conversation, Dirk Nellens, a 4/6 Reflector with a background in anthropology and body-based therapy, shares his unique and embodied perspective on Human Design. Dirk discusses the importance of seeing Human Design not as dogma, but as a living lens that invites curiosity, compassion, and self-inquiry. Together, we explore how conditioning, trauma, and child development intersect with the chart, and how Human Design can become a truly therapeutic, experiential journey.

Dirk also shares powerful reflections on deconditioning, the role of the reflector, the difference between individuality and individualism, and how Human Design can be misused to reinforce neurosis instead of supporting transformation. A must-listen for those craving depth, nuance, and authenticity in their HD experiment.

Key Takeaways:

Human Design should be a revelation, not a rigid doctrine - the chart reveals itself through lived experience, not mental understanding.

The difference between individuality (our undividedness with life) and individualism (egoic separation) is critical in how we apply HD.

Deconditioning is deeply therapeutic and benefits from being supported by modalities like body-based therapy, the Enneagram, and trauma work.

Reflectors experience deep sampling; Dirk shares insights on how the body, not the mind, holds the truth of authority.

Strategy and authority aren’t things to do, but inherent energetic laws we’re born with; embodiment comes first.

The Human Design chart reveals the architecture of the mental body, but the character that forms is shaped through childhood and environment.

Human Design and therapy can powerfully support each other: HD provides an essence-based lens, therapy offers the tools for real integration.

There’s a danger in using HD to reinforce trauma or defense mechanisms, especially when analysts are unaware of psychological dynamics.

Music, sound, body awareness, and the neutrino weather all offer ways to stay grounded and present in our experiment.

Dirk’s upcoming book will explore themes like child development, deconditioning, anthropology, and how to play with Human Design more consciously.

About Dirk:

Dirk Nellens is a 4/6 Reflector with a background in anthropology and body-based therapy. He spent many years immersed in spiritual and therapeutic communities including Osho’s meditation resort, and has studied Human Design for over two decades. Dirk’s approach is experiential, therapeutic, and deeply grounded in compassion and embodiment. He is currently preparing to publish his first book on Human Design, which explores its intersection with child development, trauma, and consciousness.

Connect with Dirk: 

Website: https://dirknellens.com/

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/throughthelensofdesign/

If you resonated with Dirk’s unique and powerful lens on Human Design, share this episode with someone on their journey of deconditioning. And if you’re ready to explore Human Design as an embodied, healing experience, come meet Dirk and all the other incredible speakers at the Holistic Human Design Conference in Oslo this September. Let’s make this wisdom real, together.

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Key Takeaways:

Emelie discovered Human Design through a cabin conversation with friends, feeling deeply seen by the 28-38 channel before even seeing her chart.

Her approach blends Human Design, Gene Keys, and mindfulness, focusing on awareness, discernment, and honesty as essential tools.

Inner Authority isn't always black and white; Emelie emphasizes differentiating fear, desire, and genuine responses with self-honesty.

Individual circuitry brings melancholy and creative winters, but also exciting new springs of insight and expression.

Emelie prefers silence over music, highlighting how even the absence of sound can be a vital sensory experience.

She discusses the importance of avoiding dogma in Human Design and encourages using the system for personal empowerment, not as an external authority.

Teaching online allows her to focus on clarity without distractions, making the transmission of knowledge more precise.

A candid reflection on how Human Design conferences, like the one in Norway, can be spacious, nurturing, and community-oriented.

About Emelie:

Emelie is a Human Design teacher, content creator, and podcast host based in Norway. Known for her calm, clear, and holistic teaching style, she focuses on helping people reconnect with their unique essence through Human Design and Gene Keys. Emelie’s work emphasizes self-awareness, discernment, and gentle but honest exploration of inner authority. With her individual circuitry, she brings depth, nuance, and a refreshing heresy to the world of Human Design.

Connect with Emelie: 

Website: www.emeliehumandesign.no

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/emelieshumandesign.no/

Come meet Emelie live at the Holistic Human Design Conference in Oslo this September! Experience her gentle wisdom, nuanced perspective, and practical insights on inner authority. Join us for a beautifully curated, heart-centered gathering of Human Design enthusiasts from around the world. 

Get your ticket: https://www.holistiskhumandesign.no/offers/KdXuzJgs/checkout

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Key Takeaways:

Body First: Martin emphasizes Human Design as a body-centered system, focusing on how we relate to ourselves before the outer world.

Health as Alignment: True well-being arises from living authentically, respecting one’s design, and not identifying with external conditioning.

Emotional Authority in Practice: Martin shares how he navigates his emotional waves with intimacy, patience, and a wide palette of responses.

Music as Medicine: Martin reveals how music has been a constant thread of healing, expression, and connection throughout his life.

Wisdom in Simplicity: With a cross of service and a foundation in the 58/18, Martin’s teaching style prioritizes precision, experience, and relevance over information overload.

Respecting Individual Nature: Whether working with clients or family, Martin highlights the importance of honoring the unique rhythm and needs of each person.

About Martin Grassinger:

Martin Grassinger is a veteran Human Design analyst and teacher with over 30 years of experience. Known for his somatic and health-oriented perspective, he integrates Human Design, physiology, and practical life wisdom to guide others in aligning with their true nature. A musician at heart, Martin brings depth, nuance, and heartfelt service to everything he does.

Connect with Martin:

Website: martingrassinger.de

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/martingrassinger/

Join us at the Holistic Human Design Conference in Oslo this September to experience Martin Grassinger live. Expect grounded wisdom, practical insights, and a perspective that might be different than you have heard before. This is an opportunity to meet a true master of service and embodiment. Secure your ticket and be part of this meaningful gathering.

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Key Takeaways:

The Projector Aura: Understanding how Projectors guide through recognition and why being seen for your unique gifts is crucial.

Bitterness, Guilt & Healing: The importance of recognizing bitterness not as failure but as feedback and choosing self-love over self-blame.

Visibility & Invitations: Practical ways Projectors can make themselves visible without forcing, through joy, creativity, and simply being.

Success Redefined: Why true success for a Projector is rooted in well-being, rest, and living aligned with their energy.

Sound & Healing: Therese’s personal journey with music, sound healing, and how frequencies help release emotional and physical tension.

Generational Conditioning & Deconditioning: Stories from her own family and client work illustrating how Human Design helps break cycles of stress and burnout.

Living the Cross of Healing: Therese’s perspective on healing as returning to wholeness and loving oneself as they are.

About Therese Jagersberger:

Therese is a 5/1 Self-Projected Projector born on the Cross of Healing. With over two decades of experience in Human Design, she brings a deeply embodied and experiential approach to her teachings. Known for her warmth, clarity, and sensitivity, Therese guides Projectors (and other types) back to their own authority and unique expression. 

Connect with Therese: 

Webpage: https://www.humandesignselflove.com/en

Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/therese_humandesign/

Join Therese for an immersion experience, July 9th - July 13th in Travancinha, Portugal:

Are you a Projector, or do you love one? This episode is a must-listen for anyone wanting to understand the true essence of Projectors beyond the popular surface-level interpretations. Share this conversation with someone who needs to hear it, and come learn from Therese in person at the Holistic Human Design Conference in Oslo this September!

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We explore topics ranging from the deep layers of emotional authority, the challenges of deconditioning, to the powerful metaphor of “cutting the umbilical cord” from societal and familial expectations.

Whether you’re curious about how Human Design can support emotional healing or want to feel seen in your own struggle for self-expression, this conversation is a must-listen.

Key Takeaways:

Emotional Honesty Over Emotional Control: Guido shares his long journey of learning to express emotions authentically, without making impulsive decisions based on emotional waves.

The Power of Expression for Manifestors: Informing reframed as “expressing”; allowing emotions, even anger, to be expressed without fear of rejection or misunderstanding.

Conditioning Runs Deep: A candid reflection on how early childhood experiences and societal norms shape our emotional expression and how difficult (but essential) it is to decondition.

The Matrix, Mothers & Emotional Independence: Guido speaks to the metaphor of still being energetically attached to our mothers and how true personal freedom requires emotional separation.

Music & Emotional Processing: An intimate story of how losing and regaining hearing in one ear became a symbolic healing journey through music, connecting his 12-22 channel to health and emotional well-being.

Skepticism of “Watered Down” Human Design: A grounded take on the current popularization of Human Design and why returning to basics is more impactful than chasing complex theories.

About Guido:

Guido is a Human Design analyst with three decades of experience, trained directly in the early days of the system. With a passion for emotional depth, individual empowerment, and grounded teaching, he offers readings that prioritize honesty, clarity, and real-life embodiment. Guido’s approach is practical, confrontational when needed, and deeply human.

Connect with Guido: 

Guido’s webpage:  https://www.humandesign.nl/nl/Guido-Wernink/

If this conversation resonated with you, subscribe and share this episode with fellow Human Design enthusiasts.

To experience Guido’s in-person magic, join us at the Holistic Human Design Conference 2025 in Oslo, for workshops, conversations, and in-aura experiences.

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We explore Birgitte’s deep connection to sound, her journey with Human Design, and the profound role of melancholy and struggle in her life. Birgitte shares how music and sound have been both her personal sanctuary and a transformative tool in her therapeutic work, and why embracing the full spectrum of human emotion is essential for true healing.

This conversation is a heartfelt reminder that being human isn’t about avoiding the lows, but learning to sit with them.

Key Takeaways:

Sound as Therapy: Birgitte explains how she discovered the power of using her voice and sound vibrations directly into the body, bypassing mental defenses and reaching deep into the nervous system.

Group Dynamics & Sound: Birgitte shares how group sound experiences create collective resonance, often reaching depths that individual sessions can't, and why she loves working with large groups as a triple split and MG.

Melancholy as Medicine: As a being with the channel of struggle and as a 6/2 profile, Birgitte shares how melancholy is a vital part of her creative and healing process and why we shouldn’t shy away from these "low frequency" emotions.

Life on the Roof & Coming Down: With just two months left before her Chiron return, Birgitte reflects on her time "on the roof" and the personal transformations that have prepared her to step into the role model phase.

The Importance of Language: We discuss how shifting from "I have to" to "I get to" changes the frequency of our daily lives, and how conscious language can be a powerful healing practice.

A Raw Perspective on Life & Death: With her 28-38 channel of struggle, Birgitte candidly speaks about her relationship with life, death, and finding purpose through human design and music.

About Birgitte:

Birgitte is a therapist and sound facilitator with a unique ability to weave music, energy, and Human Design into deeply transformative experiences. With her lifelong connection to music, she helps people reconnect with their bodies and emotions through sound. Birgitte is also the main host of this podcast season and a beloved facilitator at the Holistic Human Design Conference.

Connect with Birgitte:

Birgitte's Website: http://www.birgittebakke.no/

If you enjoyed this conversation, make sure to subscribe to the podcast and share this episode with your Human Design community.

Ready to experience Birgitte’s magic in person? Join us at the Holistic Human Design Conference 2025 for immersive in-aura sound experiences and powerful workshops, key notes and conversations.

Get your ticket: https://www.holistiskhumandesign.no/offers/KdXuzJgs/checkout

In this special episode, we turn the microphone around and interview Birgitte, the host of this podcast season and one of the facilitators of the Holistic Human Design Conference 2025.

We explore Birgitte’s deep connection to sound, her journey with Human Design, and the profound role of melancholy and struggle in her life. Birgitte shares how music and sound have been both her personal sanctuary and a transformative tool in her therapeutic work, and why embracing the full spectrum of human emotion is essential for true healing.

This conversation is a heartfelt reminder that being human isn’t about avoiding the lows, but learning to sit with them.

🌿 Key Takeaways:

Sound as Therapy: Birgitte explains how she discovered the power of using her voice and sound vibrations directly into the body, bypassing mental defenses and reaching deep into the nervous system.

Group Dynamics & Sound: Birgitte shares how group sound experiences create collective resonance, often reaching depths that individual sessions can't, and why she loves working with large groups as a triple split and MG.

Melancholy as Medicine: As a being with the channel of struggle and as a 6/2 profile, Birgitte shares how melancholy is a vital part of her creative and healing process and why we shouldn’t shy away from these "low frequency" emotions.

Life on the Roof & Coming Down: With just two months left before her Chiron return, Birgitte reflects on her time "on the roof" and the personal transformations that have prepared her to step into the role model phase.

The Importance of Language: We discuss how shifting from "I have to" to "I get to" changes the frequency of our daily lives, and how conscious language can be a powerful healing practice.

A Raw Perspective on Life & Death: With her 28-38 channel of struggle, Birgitte candidly speaks about her relationship with life, death, and finding purpose through human design and music.

About Birgitte:

Birgitte is a therapist, bodyworker, and sound facilitator with a unique ability to weave music, energy, and Human Design into deeply transformative experiences. With a background in practical therapy and a lifelong connection to music, she helps people reconnect with their bodies and emotions through sound. Birgitte is also the main host of this podcast season and a beloved facilitator at the Holistic Human Design Conference.

Connect with Birgitte:

Birgitte's Website: http://www.birgittebakke.no/

Birgitte's Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/tripplesplit/

If you enjoyed this conversation, please subscribe to the podcast and share this episode with your Human Design community.

Join us September 17th - 21st 2025, in Oslo for a weekend to remember!

Ready to experience Birgitte’s magic in person? Join us at the Holistic Human Design Conference 2025 for immersive in-aura sound experiences, powerful workshops, keynotes, and conversations.

Read more about the conference: https://www.holistiskhumandesign.no/conference

Get your ticket: https://www.holistiskhumandesign.no/offers/KdXuzJgs/checkout