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I don't know why I waited a year to release this. In part because it's such a unique conversation that it didn't pair well with anything else. Another reason: I'm such a fan of Holly and her work that I wanted to save it for a big moment. But, upon reflection I think it had a lot to do with the fact that once you share something... it's not yours anymore. This conversation would cease to belong to me and be a communal thing. That was its destiny all along and it would be a waste to horde the wisdom and whimsy Holly shared... but it did feel good that it was just mine for awhile.

Holly and I talk about forgiveness, which is what connected us to this deeper conversation in the first place. We open and address all sorts of topics where Holly has tremendous, valuable insight. The nugget she shares about a former boss is INCREDIBLE! That alone is worth the price of admission.

Enjoy, y'all!

Chapters

00:00 Introduction and Background

06:09 Misunderstanding Forgiveness

13:03 The Rush to Forgiveness

21:47 The Importance of Support

27:42 The Impact of the Pandemic

34:50 Building Community

37:32 The Intimacy of Podcasting

37:58 The Power of Podcast Audiences

40:55 Breaking News and the Appeal of Podcasting

43:50 The Love for Utah Football

44:47 The Importance of Community and Time

47:35 The Slow Growth of Community

49:30 The Non-Judgment Zone of Joy

57:22 The Bear and the Art of Craftsmanship

01:00:47 The Bear Season 2

01:10:00 Closing Remarks

01:10:34 Outro 3.wav