Abbie McCarthy sits down with indie pop artist Holly Humberstone to dive into her highly anticipated second album 'Cruel World'.

Abbie & Holly discuss how scary and consuming yet brilliant being in love can be, the ease of writing songs about other people, working with her teen hero and long term collaborator Rob Milton, resisting the music industry pitting women against eachother, supporting and touring with the likes of Taylor Swift, Sam Fender & Olivia Rodrigo and plenty more.

Music produced by JMAC, Freddy Sheed & Rich Zbaraski.

The Eras Podcast is a Good Karma / Junopro / Context Films Production, recorded at Metropolis Studios.

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