In today's climate, distrust is more familiar than trust. Opposition is more familiar than finding common ground. The Conference-local church relationship has long been marred with distrust but it seems worse than ever. In this episode, BEN and Tim discuss the difficulties of leading and communicating in an environment of politicalization, quick to divide and cast blame. How do personal beliefs inform professional communication? How do we deal with topics of antiracism and LGBTQ+ inclusion in our Conference work and in our personal lives? Wow, what an episode!