On today's episode of the Wise Elders podcast, Matt continues his quest for wisdom by sitting down with Karen Hudson, a mentor of his and a social worker with over 40 years of experience working with homelessness. First, Karen fills us in on what's been going on in the world of homelessness these past couple years (1:30). Then, we explore how Karen's professional social work experience can inform wisdom (18:00). Finally, the Self Assessed Wisdom Scale (SAWS) guides a conversation about wisdom (35:30).