The Hon Chris Hipkins was our first current politician, we met him in the beehive for an awesome interview. As Minister for Education, Police and Covid Response Chris is one of the most influential politicians of our time and we thoroughly enjoyed this conversation. Chris exemplified what we are trying to achieve at Both Sides Now by having a book case full of political books from both the right and left of the political spectrum. He also highlighted to us that robust disagreement, exchange of ideas and dissent are the lifeblood of democracy, something that both of us are worried we are losing to polarisation.