Tessa and Morgan dissect Penn Jillette's appearance on Literally with Rob Lowe (5/15/2025).

🔥 Topics we cover:

• Penn's claim he literally lived Bob Dylan's fabricated hobo stories to expose the myth

• Why "I don't know" are the three most important words in science (according to a magician)

• His moral crusade against David Blaine vs. his own reality-bending performances

• The gaffer's tape philosophy: how Penn & Teller's magic "sadly comes down to" hardware store supplies

• Adding bank robberies to his autobiography: fiction mixed with truth as artistic statement

• Rob Lowe's cringeworthy celebrity name-dropping vs. Penn's authentic Americana obsession

• Dice stacking as transcendence: finding meaning in the thing "literally nobody else cares about"

• Eddie Fechter at the Forks Motel: why a Buffalo ex-con represents peak magical experience

• From straight-A student to flunking everything after Kreskin shattered his worldview

• Psychics as "feminist issue": preying on lonely housewives for profit

• Houdini as the original influencer: naked celebrity and manufactured mystique

• The social contract of deception: consent makes lying ethical (apparently)

• 8,000 shows and 50 years of mutual loathing as business model

• "American authenticity" as the ultimate oxymoron

• Why the last honest fake is also the most genuine charlatan

• From homeless juggler to Vegas prophet: the mythology of self-invention