Laura and Eve Bishop met a little over a year ago—but so much has changed in that time that it feels like a lifetime. They talk about the challenges and changes that have shaped them both, the thing that unites their work, and why they’re still feeling hopeful even in this time of division.

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Show notes:

• Dance with Making Waves Studios 
• Subscribe to Deer Humans
• Learn more about Eve at www.evebishop.net
• Listen to Cyclops in Vegas (our season 2 episode that Eve mentions)
• Listen to What You Make of It (our episode featuring Justin McRoberts that Eve helped create)
• Listen to A Good Death (the episode Eve pitched, co-created, and co-hosted)