How bad does life have to get before people question bringing new life into it?From illness, aging, and mental suffering… to AI, social media distortion, and an increasingly unstable future , the signs are everywhere. Yet most people still don’t see the problem.In this conversation, we explore why the message isn’t getting through, and what it might actually take for people to wake up.Is it ignorance… denial… or something deeper in human nature?And more importantly , how much worse does it need to get?