Peter Ninemire sits down with fellow  social worker and longtime friend, Jenny Hardin, to tackle the hard question at the heart of justice reinvestment - what does it actually take to help people change?

Drawing on Pete's 10 years inside federal prison and their 20+ years working in behavioral health, the two dig into why America's punitive model keeps failing, what Scandinavian countries are getting right, and how therapeutic communities and drug courts are quietly proving a better way is possible.

Tune in for an honest, hopeful conversation on reforming the system from the inside out on episode two of Justice Reinvestment!