Laurence welcomes a new guest, Jeremy Pearce, for this episode to talk about practical ways of getting to know Jesus. Using the apostle Paul's experience as a template they discuss how to see Jesus as a real person even though we only have written accounts in the Gospels to work with.  But, just as we change when we know and love someone really well, knowing Jesus should change us too. Enjoy this conversation on a deeply personal and profound aspect of being a Christian in the modern world.