What happens when the dark side gets its hands on cutting-edge AI and why might even seasoned defenders find themselves playing catch-up?

Welcome back to Razorwire, where I’m joined by Oliver Rochford and Richard Cassidy to discuss how criminals are using AI, what's actually working and how the threat landscape is changing. We explore how adversaries are using AI, what’s actually working in the wild and how professionals can prepare for the unsettling pace of change.

Summary:

We discuss AI-powered phishing, deepfakes in recruitment and self-evolving malware. The conversation moves beyond the classic image of lone hackers, unveiling an economy of cybercrime with advanced automation, international collaboration and ruthless incentives. The real tension lies in whether AI is simply sharpening existing attack tools or if we’re on the brink of something genuinely new and autonomous. We dissect economic shifts in attack and defence and raises questions about resilience, readiness and just how quickly the future may arrive.

3 Key Talking Points:

• AI in current attacks: Discover how attackers are already automating phishing, password cracking and social engineering at scale, with some criminal campaigns boasting success rates that would have been unthinkable without AI.
• Deepfakes and infiltration: Hear real cases of attackers using AI-generated identities and language tools to pass job interviews and access company systems, including documented North Korean operations.
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• The autonomy debate: Join the debate over whether we’re seeing the emergence of fully autonomous AI attacks or just more sophisticated versions of existing threats,  and what it means for risk management and defending against a fast-paced, well-funded adversary.

Ideal for any cybersecurity professional looking for sharp perspectives and real-world examples on the present and future impact of AI in the hands of attackers. 

The New Question for Cybersecurity:

"We don't need to ask anymore, ‘Do we have good security?’ What we have to say, and what the question should be is, ‘Are we resilient when AI is being used against us? And how do we do that from a technology perspective?’ And there's no one answer."

Richard Cassidy

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In this episode, we covered:

• AI as the New Adversary Learn how criminals are using advanced AI tools to make cyber threats less predictable and harder to control.
• Phishing Supercharged by AI Discover why AI-generated phishing campaigns achieve significantly higher success rates than traditional attempts and what makes them harder to spot.
• Deepfakes and Recruitment Fraud Hear how attackers use deepfakes and voice-changing technology to impersonate job candidates and infiltrate organisations under false identities.
• Automation and Evolving Malware Explore the debate around whether malware can autonomously adapt and rewrite itself, reducing the need for human hackers to intervene directly.
• Limits of Current AI Threats Understand why truly autonomous, intelligent cyber attacks aren't widely observed in the wild yet, despite AI amplifying certain attack vectors.
• Economic Shift in Cybercrime See how AI has lowered costs and barriers to entry for cybercriminals, allowing attacks to scale rapidly without nation-state resources.
• Social and Psychological Impacts Consider how AI's rapid advancement is outpacing society's ability to adapt, leading to new forms of manipulation and radicalisation.
• Defence Strategies Lagging Behind Find out why most defensive tools still rely on older methods and haven't matched the sophistication of AI-powered attacks.
• Importance of Cyber Resilience Learn why resilience measures like robust backup, disaster recovery and regular risk assessments are now critical as AI heightens attack speed and scale.
• Ethics, Regulation and the Future Race Examine how the race to adopt AI technologies by criminals and corporations alike is happening without adequate regulation or ethical boundaries.

Resources Mentioned 

• MIT Sloan
• Safe Security
• VirusTotal
• PromptLock
• Firewood (Malware)
• Mirai (Malware / Botnet Variant)
• HackerOne
• Expo (LLM Project)
• Anthropic
• OpenAI
• Europol
• ChatGPT
• GenTek AI
• Arctic Wolf
• SQL Slammer
• Morris Worm
• The Zizians
• Future Shock (Book)

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Hello, I am James Rees, the host of the Razorwire podcast. This podcast brings you insights from leading cyber security professionals who dedicate their careers to making a hacker’s life that much more difficult.

Our guests bring you experience and expertise from a range of disciplines and from different career stages. We give you various viewpoints for improving your cyber security – from seasoned professionals with years of experience, triumphs and lessons learned under their belt, to those in relatively early stages of their careers offering fresh eyes and new insights.

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