Episode Summary

Vibe coding is here and most organisations are nowhere near ready for what it means for security. In this episode of Secured, Cole Cornford sits down with Patrick Collins and Simon Harloff, founders of Dam Secure, to unpack how AI is reshaping software development and why the old AppSec playbook is not keeping up.

They cover the shift from artisanal to factory model engineering, why skills and agents.md files are less reliable than people think, and why the SaaSpocalypse narrative is mostly a distraction from the work that actually matters. Patrick and Simon also walk through how Dam Secure enforces organisational security rules at plan time, before a single line of AI generated code gets written.

Timestamps

00:00 Trailer

01:01 Chainguard ad

01:28 Meet Patrick Collins and Simon Harloff from Dam Secure

03:00 Why existing AppSec tooling never worked for developers

05:30 The artisanal vs factory model of software development

08:30 Hacker News, polarisation and the AI sentiment shift

11:00 Agile, standups and processes that no longer make sense

14:00 Bigger PRs, higher velocity and workflows without an IDE

17:00 Skills, agents.md and the limits of deterministic guardrails

20:00 The AppSec to developer ratio problem

23:00 The SaaSpocalypse and why rebuilding tools is a side quest

27:00 React, digital certificates and security through business incentives

30:00 How Dam Secure works: secure spec and plan time enforcement

34:00 Vibe coders, Lovable and the risk beyond professional developers

36:00 Where to find Dam Secure and closing remarks

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