In this Podcast Liliya Terzieva (professor Designing Value networks) invites Christine De Lille (professor Innovation networks) and Katinka Bergema (transition management expert and designer, partner from Zwaluw | Innovatie & Samenwerking & VanWaarde) to embark on a conversation about their joint book. They elaborate upon the insights and experiences generated from working on transition challenges and how they jointly learned out of several cases in practice on a local, national, and even international scale to make a difference and contribute to societal impact.