One of the best known creators of computing education content, one half of Craig'n'Dave, Dave Hillyard, joins me to talk about Hungarian Dancers, Snakes and Ladders and the day we did a "collab". It's abstractions all the way down in this epic that you must listen to if you teach algorithms.

Transcript on my blog at httcs.online/blog

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