On 19th July lockdown is lifting in England. How should we deal with our anxieties as the pandemic moves onto the next stage? Yvette and Ellen chat to Shelley Treacher, a Counsellor who helps individuals and runs groups on overcoming loneliness, comfort eating, and finding engaged love. They talk fact checking, risk taking and how to take things slowly as lockdown eases.

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