Summary

In this conversation, Edward Lucas discusses the ongoing war in Ukraine, the influence of Donald Trump on NATO and European defense, and the shifting dynamics of power in Europe. He emphasises the need for Europe to enhance its military autonomy and the importance of a united front against Russia. Lucas also addresses the concept of the 'shadow fleet' and the implications of European actions on Russia's strategic calculations. The discussion highlights the complexities of international relations and the necessity for Europe to adapt to changing geopolitical realities.

Chapters

00:00 Current State of Trilateral Talks

03:59 The Role of the United States in European Security

09:55 Europe's Defense Capabilities and Autonomy

15:47 The Shadow Fleet and European Responses

21:38 Final Thoughts and Future Outlook

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