Abria Mattina and Dan Fachin live in Ottawa, Ontario, and for the last year, they’ve taken some great strides to make their dreams come true. After realizing that the schedule around their corporate jobs wasn’t going to allow them to write and publish a novel, they quit. But that’s not it.

Soon after leaving corporate, they also went nocturnal — that is, sleeping while everyone else was awake, and working while everyone was fast asleep. Sometimes, it takes an inconvenient feat to accomplish your goals — but Dan and Abria show that it’s possible with enough dedication and hard work.

Full show notes: andreawien.com/abria-dan